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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Request: Headshot mode for sniper rifles
« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2008, 11:13:29 pm »
Laws are laws...doesn't matter if they were written by us or the aliens.

If they perfectly describe and explain and predict happening then they are laws. The atomic force that work within atoms is known. The basic laws of it's behaviour are known. It is KNOWN that if you apply X energy that the bond will break.

No nano-engineering or fancy-shamncy fantasy physics is gonna change that. That's why I mean when I say that all technology has some practical limit.

You can't continue to minimize computers ad infinitum - a line has to be drawn somewhere.
You can't continue to build stronger and stronger armor - the line will be drawn somewhere. And we (humans) are already near that line. That line is the very atomic bonds that make the armor. You can't make them stronger than they can be.

Sure, there are many tricks that can make armor withstand heat, or pressure or col or acid better. But just pure penetration? Without increasing density we are already reaching the atomic limit.

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Re: Request: Headshot mode for sniper rifles
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2008, 12:35:17 pm »
Laws are laws...doesn't matter if they were written by us or the aliens.

If they perfectly describe and explain and predict happening then they are laws. The atomic force that work within atoms is known. The basic laws of it's behaviour are known. It is KNOWN that if you apply X energy that the bond will break.

Human science works as far as we KNOW. My point is there are levels of understanding we have not achieved yet. How can you believe that we are so deep in understanding
 

You can't continue to minimize computers ad infinitum - a line has to be drawn somewhere.
You can't continue to build stronger and stronger armor - the line will be drawn somewhere. And we (humans) are already near that line. That line is the very atomic bonds that make the armor. You can't make them stronger than they can be.

Again your agument sounds compelling, are you aware the atomic bond is not the smallest level of attraction?

A subatomic particle is an elementary or composite particle smaller than an atom. Particle physics and nuclear physics are concerned with the study of these particles, their interactions, and non-atomic matter.

Subatomic particles include the atomic constituents electrons, protons, and neutrons. Protons and neutrons are composite particles, consisting of quarks. A proton contains two up quarks and one down quark, while a neutron consists of one up quark and two down quarks; the quarks are held together in the nucleus by gluons. There are six different types of quark in all ('up', 'down', 'bottom', 'top', 'strange', and 'charm'), as well as other particles including photons and neutrinos which are produced copiously in the sun. Most of the particles that have been discovered are encountered in cosmic rays interacting with matter and are produced by scattering processes in particle accelerators.

Just because we havn't utilised quarks effectivly doesn't mean the aliens can't.

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Re: Request: Headshot mode for sniper rifles
« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2008, 02:14:53 am »
Again your agument sounds compelling, are you aware the atomic bond is not the smallest level of attraction?

First off, we're wandering pretty far off from our stated topic.  Secondly, the ingredients in the electrons, protons, and neutrons are irrelevant to how much energy it takes it takes to break up the atom.  We already know exactly how many Joules it takes to strip off each electron, proton, etc. from the atom.  If the quarks contribute to that, then their value is already part of what we measured.  As the Trashman has said, we are already up against the breaking atomic bonds being the weak link in the chain.

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Re: Request: Headshot mode for sniper rifles
« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2008, 06:08:52 am »
The thing with laws is, again, they are just our interpretations of how we think things work.  The actual way things work may be written in stone, but our interpretations, even if we call them laws, are just that.  They are things which we have observed to be true in every known circumstance.  As far as we know, we could be 5 minutes away from seeing an exception to a law, but we don't know about it until we see it. 

I highly doubt that a sniper rifle bullet is going to go setting of an atomic reaction...

I think you're overestimating the progress of human armor.  We're using ceramic, fabric, and some metal plating to protect our soldiers.   Full-body armor is unheard of.  To be honest, medieval armor offered better protection in many ways than the modern equivalent.  Of course, that's because our armor technology actually slipped backwards for awhile when mass-produced firearms became the mainstay and personal metal suits were far too costly to implement in the numbers required for an effective armored infantry force.  Hell, modern military helmets are Kevlar.  This stuff is what our weapons are currently gauged against; alien armor tech could easily make use of stronger synthetic fibers (carbon nanotubes, like their light armor), high-density metals, layers of breakable (force dispersing) plates, other reactive methods.  This whole atomic bond thing is getting a bit off topic, and giving our own armor technology way too much credit for the crap it is.
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Offline DanielOR

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Re: Request: Headshot mode for sniper rifles
« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2008, 06:32:52 pm »
TrashMan:

A-men, brother!  I whole-heartedly agree.