UFO:Alien Invasion
Development => Artwork => Topic started by: krilain on December 10, 2012, 03:09:10 pm
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Hi there,
I'm not sure that UNO's logo is copy free but anyway an adapted logo would be great to be put onto our soldiers uniforms. At least on the standard equipment. Ok, that asks for texture repainting but if a logo is choosen, it should be an easy job.
The UNO logo is something like that :
http://www.pelagon.de/wp-includes/images/mediadaten//logo-uno.jpg
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Phalanx has a logo (https://github.com/ufoai/ufoai/blob/master/base/pics/phalanx_badge_big.png) and it appears on the combat and power armours.
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I've not opened every texture files so I missed it.
Thanks to your remark I'm reading now this topic : http://ufoai.org/forum/index.php?topic=6795.0.
Whatever, the Phallanx logo remains for me an advanced one. About a more standard logo for standard stuff, my question still applies. Of course nothing crucial here, again.
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Interesting enough, I've been thinking something like this just today. However, I've been going towards something even more simple and crude, something anybody can draw in several seconds, with anything that comes in handy at the moment, on any surface available at the moment. Like with a spray on the wall, or with bullet holes on target, or using a stencil on a crate.
Here's what I came up with. Basically, all I have done is replaced spears with (sharpened) sticks and replaced globe with astrological symbol for Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_symbols#Astrological_planets).
Top to bottom: basic logo, logo with spears sharpened, stencil version of logo.
Yes, I know it looks like a crosshair.
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Like with a spray on the wall, or with bullet holes on target, or using a stencil on a crate.
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Do you mean you except your mark to be used as a "resistance" mark sprayed on the walls over the cities ?
Whatever you should take a look on the existing phallanx logo, with the crossed picks. Should you improve it by additional researshes. (personnally I vote for your second one, more adapted with picks)
From my side it was more about the UNO logo to put on the standard uniforms, and eventually on the ships hulk, like on the Firebird model.
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Do you mean you except your mark to be used as a "resistance" mark sprayed on the walls over the cities ?
That was my original thought, yes. But I don't mind it being used wherever it might suit.
Whatever you should take a look on the existing phallanx logo, with the crossed picks. Should you improve it by additional researshes. (personnally I vote for your second one, more adapted with picks)
I did take a look. As I have said in my previous post, this is basically extremely simplified version of phalanx logo.
From my side it was more about the UNO logo to put on the standard uniforms, and eventually on the ships hulk, like on the Firebird model.
I have nothing to say against this kind of usage, really. If it fits, why not?
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This is a celtic fascist in Italy
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This is a celtic fascist in Italy
Really? It could be misunderstood, should be avoided so.
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This is a celtic fascist in Italy
:o
Or maybe it is a martian communist in Poland? :P
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Well it's a Celtic symbol... but Celtic... fascists... in Italy? I didn't realize such a thing existed. I mean Celtic traditions aren't particularly compatible with fascism and Italy was never really Celtic territory. They must have some seriously bizarre ideology.
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So, i've done some googling, and here's what I found.
Apparently, what Koba refers to is Celtic Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism#Contemporary_usage), which is indeed used as a neo-nazi symbol in Italy and a bit in Germany. You may note that Celtic Cross has fins on top, left, bottom and right, while logo I proposed has them on top left, bottom left, top right and bottom right. So they are similar, yes, but in my opinion not similar enough to confuse with each other.
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Unfortunately, so is the symbol as the name is Celtic, Ireland is the national symbol, but in Italy is related to the areas of the extreme right and the right-wing subversive ...
Keep in mind though that if you do use it, however, a reference to nationalism, while in the game we are talking about a global resistance among the various nations then type internationalist. Your symbol is inappropriate!
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Well, luckily for us, there are a lot of ancient pictograms for "earth". I wandered around wikipedia a bit and found out that medieval alchemists used some sybmol for earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_elements#Classical_elements_in_Greece) as well. This one (http://asimov.slasims.com/wiki/images/9/9f/Earth-symbol.JPG) was originally devised by ancient greeks and represents earth not as celestial body, but as basic element. Ah well. Anyways, I have removed the cross and put the triangle in the circle. Also repositioned spears a bit.
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The fact that has a passing resemblance to an upside anarchy sign now has me imagining an army with that symbol locked in battle with an army using the 1st one :)
Also what's with fascists and ruining perfectly good symbols? If it weren't for the Nazi's we'd have a perfect cross-cultural, easy-to-stencil, Sol symbol.
As for Phalanx, I like the first with the spear style of the 2nd. Plenty of ordinary people use Celtic crosses and the one without extended arms is not as associated with fascists as it is the planet.
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frankly, *any* symbol can pretty much be guaranteed to have seen some objectionable use that one wouldn't think possible, like symbols of ancient nordic mythology are in some countries seen as "white power" symbols, or that celtic cross as a fascist symbol in italy. not that use of suspicious symbology shouldn't be avoided but if we're going to have any symbols at all a line has to be drawn somewhere
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/anti-hate/symbolsofhate.html
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/ThorsHammer.asp
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Almost all symbols are based on previous ones.
So frak it I say. Who cares?
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conspiracy theorists will care ;)
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I like the first with the spear style of the 2nd.
Here is something for you to take look at.
Anyway, the decision what simplified logo to use and to use it at all is up to lead devs and artists. Judging by their activity in this thread so far, I don't think that phalanx soldiers will receive new armbadge =)
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Here is something for you to take look at.
Anyway, the decision what simplified logo to use and to use it at all is up to lead devs and artists. Judging by their activity in this thread so far, I don't think that phalanx soldiers will receive new armbadge =)
Hello Unisol, aren't you interested on integrating your logo on a flag or any 3D object ? This would surely be more convincing for any people involved in the graphics.
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Ok here is a very fast sample. I must admit I see more charm in your symbols when applied even poorly as below on a concrete case. (I join the blender file (2.64), and here is a link to a very comprehensive texturing tutorial : http://asitssfl01.ase.tufts.edu/blackboard/DR21/ImageTextures.html)
(http://hfr-rehost.net/self/639c16eba5380846963097c51065d2478c82332b.png)
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I must admit I have no experience with 3d editors and was going just to slap logo over some existing render (as soon as i found time to do it). You've got ahead of me. Thanks.
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I must admit I have no experience with 3d editors and was going just to slap logo over some existing render (as soon as i found time to do it). You've got ahead of me. Thanks.
You can also do it with Gimp (not to say Photoshop). I don't know exactly how you work in general but if you prefere 2D you can anyway integrate your symbols onto 3D stuff usable ingame. To do that just follow this amateur trick using two GNU tools, Gimp2.8 and Misfit3D (as a viewer). I attached an illustration if you prefere pictures to verbs.
Ok, if it happens you missed some point with layers or distort "filter" tool in Gimp, just ask for the details - you will essentially need to use transparency for superimposing layers, distort and scale and then export to png. Ask also if you dont see where are the models, or for anything else.
I just want to add something I found about your symbols. Playing with transformation in order to make the picture below, I found that applying a polar transformation to one of your logo was giving an interesting result. I didn't try it for all of them this night but I think you would be interested in doing that and maybe use it as a base for new stuff? Ok lets see that later.
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Ok, I tried to do what krilain suggested and here's what I've got:
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Hi there. I think this would worth test on some armors.
About your demo, the piece added at the "rotor" is not centered too much. If I can permit another little remark, maybe you could apply a light effect and some rust or something, that would make your piece a shape yet better integrated.