UFO:Alien Invasion
Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: Thrashard96 on August 04, 2010, 03:04:59 pm
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We (me and my friend) were talking about aliens yesterday and noticed something strange: every alien related game is similar to each other, that means, that the government is hiding the truth from us and releasing every 1/50 of information to a random game somehow just to "laugh" and think that they don't exist... That means, the game area 51 and ufo: alien invasion are quite similar, and if you read the wiki and watched documentary shows about aliens, the games talk the same, top secret is released in tiny bits, like weapons. In area 51 there is a meson canon, right? It is invented as a weapon, but nobody knows that it exists... So everything, actually is similar, but hidden, until you compare two stories, which have the same info about each other...
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YACT (Yet Another Conspiracy Theorist). Simply saying exactly what I thinks the OP (or his firend) is.
What would be so great about meson cannons? They seem fairly bad as far as weapons go. I'd much rather want a particle beam firing baryons rahter than mesons.
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Actually, we both are.
Meson canon sucks the target into its particle shot and sucks out the target's energy whatever the target is (like a black hole).
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Well, it would be in the governments best interest to keep such things secret, to avoid worldwide panic.
My view is this, Alien races DO exist somewhere. But any race smart enough to invent interstellar travel, would probably also be very highly eveolved and much more "civilized" than we are. and any race that intelligent and civilized, would avoid humanity like the plague. If any hostile race would've discovered us by now, they would've invaded already and enslaved us.
Of course, any race as warlike and hostile as humanity, would likely never reach the stage of interstellar travel. Ie. they would probably wipe themselves out before they could reach that point, just like we most likely will do.
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Humanity... Why the wars start? Because we, humans, don't share! We want to keep everything for ourselves! Peace treaty will never happen to us, we are too selfish to help each other. Why are we? This question is interesting, but most of the people want good just for them, no matter what happens to others. By this thought, i have remembered one thing: we are level-zero civilization. If we'd enter level-one civilization, we shouldn't have any wars, no terrorists, and we must have global peace.
Aliens, on the other hand, are level-two and level-three civilizations. They have spread across the galaxy (level-three) or their star system (level-two).
Think about it, government!!! Why couldn't you make weapons which destroy meteors or comets with Earth it their trajectory instead of killing wour own people?!?
We are branches of the same tree.
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Almost every (I said almost) war started because of religion if you go back in history far enough. Also lands another matter oh and money. :) oh wait D:
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But when all of them will not be present for 100000 years until we lose our planet (it might be destroyed), then we will be at least level 1 civilization.
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I intended to write this some time ago so it's a bit late response.
I still don't get what you like about meson cannons. From small research (wikipedia) I've found that they would be okay weapons (I guess) in spacecraft-to-spacecraft battle but in atmosphere it would be more lethal to the shooter than the target. From what I've gathered this would either cause chemical or (miniature) nuclear explosions when coming in contact with baryons (that is, atoms) but here, it would instatly contact the air and explode in the end of the barrel (in similar way AM particle beam would act). As I said, I like my ground warfare particle beams loaded with baryons, thank you very much.
Other interpretation is that mesons would mess with the chemical or nuclear binds non-explosively (in this case, you'd create free radicals or ozone-like stuff), which would be even less useful as a weapon of war.
Anybody with actual physics major (zapkitty) is asked to correct my wikipedia science.
Regarding the sociology discussion and the fate of human race, I side with Stephen Hawking who said that if we will survive a couple hundred years more and make it to space, we'll be fine. Colonizing Mars and finally being able to mine asteroids would be a couple of incredible achievements for human race. These two would also ease up our "weight" here on Earth since we could use resources from other places besides Earth. This would in turn make our usable resources incredibly abundant so there wouldn't be a huge need to be selfish. And the extra living space for the some billions of us would certainly help.
I don't think we'll ever be able to get rid of wars completely. Seriously lessen the amount? Yes. Besides, in a way, our wars have been partly beneficial to us. The tech "level" graph goes *boom* whenever there is one and in case the eventual first contact will result in a war because they thought we looked at them funny, we'll be prepared.
Funny pics (humor never hurts, right?):
(http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Asteroids The Game:The Real Life&b=Finally managed to mine an asteroid.&c=u&e=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn185/hertzila/RockRaiderslogopuhdas2.png&f=1) (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)
(http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Life on Mars, Confirmed&b=Succesfully colonize the planet Mars.&c=u&e=1109&f=1) (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)
Whew... that took surprisingly long to write.
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Yeah, but why the option is war all the time there is something new? Why can't people just accept it? A lot of lives would be saved.
But the meson canon is actually an alien tech, so i guess that the people in area 51 (old or new) still have them and could use at anyone they choose.
If we wouldn't know mesons, then it would mean that we don't have those canons either.
The meson canon shoots a ball that when it gets too much particles in itself, the ball disintegrates leaving nothing in a specific area, including its captives...
I will stop here, because i'm repeating myself, but with other synonyms...
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I hope that this whole topic was meant as a joke.
If not, go see shrink. You have trouble separating reality and fiction.
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Does it mean I should start taking this seriously? Okay....
But the meson canon is actually an alien tech, so i guess that the people in area 51 (old or new) still have them and could use at anyone they choose.
If we wouldn't know mesons, then it would mean that we don't have those canons either.
The meson canon shoots a ball that when it gets too much particles in itself, the ball disintegrates leaving nothing in a specific area, including its captives...
What you wrote here is from a game. Just a "hey, we programmed a really cool looking gun, it needs some cool sounding name". Nothing except the particle name actually comes from reality.
Yeah, but why the option is war all the time there is something new? Why can't people just accept it? A lot of lives would be saved.
Got this one messed up. Rapid technological advancement is an effect of wars, not cause. Both in nature and human society, pressure from competiton is main drive of advancement.
Edit: funny looking typo removed
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The weapon is kind of a weird thing, but the wars... Why do i have to repeat it? I won't.
If everyone would just join their forces without any wars (i've remembered one funny song called b.y.o.b. by system of a down), then we'd learn from aliens...
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well!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yup u are right that many things
are hidden but it is being hidden for our betterment dear
...so dont be angry over the goverment this is not done by a single person but after disscusssing with many
experts ..
regards
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back to my first post, all the games that have aliens in it, they have something in common with other games. don't you think it's a bit weird as a coincidence??
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back to my first post, all the games that have aliens in it, they have something in common with other games. don't you think it's a bit weird as a coincidence??
Not really, it isn't/might not be a coincidence. I mean, UFO:AI wouldn't have aliens (most likely) if the original XCOM wouldn't had. Aliens are also a rather useful trope/thing to use for writers. Need an antagonist/protagonist/sidekick with unnatural abilities and/or technology far beyond ours (and what is possible) but no mythology has something like that? Use aliens! You can give them any powers or tech you want without any historian or religious person coming to complain because "you misinterpreted something"! Though you may get angry astronomers and physics professors instead.
Really, when it first was thought that this planet is actually not alone here and that there are others, I'm fairly sure somebody very quickly came up with the idea that there might be others living there like we live here.
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That makes me think:
What about the aliens that have no supernatural abilities and inferior technology? That is the aliens of a younger civilization, no one seems to think about them thogh they are equally likely (or rather unlikely) as the ones with a more advanced civiliztion
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you are right, but those who are advanced are way stronger.
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That makes me think:
What about the aliens that have no supernatural abilities and inferior technology? That is the aliens of a younger civilization, no one seems to think about them thogh they are equally likely (or rather unlikely) as the ones with a more advanced civiliztion
That reminds me of the theory that humanity is actually the first species to make it into the space. As such, it turns the tables: WE'RE the ones that try to invade other civilizations and get blown up Independence style.
Or more likely, try to coexist with other(, lesser) species (or brutally take their planet(s)) with only every now and then a war breaking over some system or planet. Really, the only real resources when a civilization makes it into space and gets the ability to mine asteroids are industrial capacity (rather important, factory building is still a slow process), habitable planets (importance lessened when capable of huge-scale terraforming but still these would likely stay the primary cause of wars), population (at least in new colonies getting this up ASAP is important) and research capabilities (not really that important intra-civilization but between two civs, keeping the bleeding-edge tech better than adversary's would be a war of it's own).
And of cource if the highly unlikely situtation comes up where a planet has very rare but valuable mineral, it could spark a war of its own over the resources but this isn't really that likely. What are the odds that we find a suddenly revolutionizing mineral from the next planet (that suddenly becomes an irrationaly important part of our continued existence [and the planet happens to be habitable and very green {with giant blue furries}])?
you are right, but those who are advanced are way stronger.
If there are any. If they're capable of coming here with FTL, then they might be stronger (what if they've lived an incredibly peaceful existence and as such they barely have the idea of warfare). However, would you still consider them stronger if they'd invent the FTL travel a year before humanity does?
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what is FTL?
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what is FTL?
Faster Than Light
Faster-than-light travel, especially.
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Right on time, my phone received the email ;D.
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That reminds me of the theory that humanity is actually the first species to make it into the space. As such, it turns the tables: WE'RE the ones that try to invade other civilizations and get blown up Independence style.
Do you think that would make a good theme for an hypotetical alternate campaign for UFO:AI? -- I mean the invading other civs part not the getting blown one btw.
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Do you think that would make a good theme for an hypotetical alternate campaign for UFO:AI? -- I mean the invading other civs part not the getting blown one btw.
Completely possible. At least when/if the alien campaign is brought back, "fully implemented" (so that playing with them means you get periodic reinforcements and such; no money). Then it wouldn't be necessary to rework some main parts of the campaign.
Mostly it would depend on the general feel and writing. Most importantly, it would need a genuine reason for the humans to not just use "Orbital bombardment" with super effective results. For the XVI-aliens it's that they want our bodies alive, not dead in gibs. But humans would want something I said a couple posts upwards instead and the only thing aliens would be useful is science (alliance/population is unlikely if we're invading them and slave labour for ind. cap. is more easily done with robots).
It might also be a bit boring if you're just owning them like mad (like the XVIs are/were doing) so they would need their own special way to resist us (in UFO:AI it's our great research and adaptability). Like psionics, particle beams (humanity might still ride with lasers and bullets) or outright magic.
Magic especially might prove interesting, as it would turn into a race of who manages to master the other's speciality first.
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Another question: why people always begin fights?? Why there can't be a peaceful opinion??
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Because human nature is violent. Because sometimes, when someone wants or needs something very badly, he will resort to direct, effective violence (whether it was Dave two blocks away who didn't want to buy you a drink after your tenth, a nation fighting for independence or for another country's resources). Because maniacs, sociopaths and psychopaths exist.
And besides, at least we realize that killing each other is not all fine and dandy and try to actively stay away from it. Unlike, say, ants.
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a bit too violent.
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IT is also logical for a species to secretly manipulate humanity to be more peaceful, reducing population, disabling nukes and other weapons especially (or making them controlled by one gov) and be more environment and resource efficient.
If I wanted to conquer Earth for its bio resources and location, invading with UFO's head on would result:
-Humanity retaliating with nukes from hundreds of locations. Even if aliens win, the result would cost them a lot and irradiate all the precious biosphere.
-Armed and numerous humanity will put up a fight and even when token fighting, will make exploitation more costly.
So if you are the leader of an alien invasion force, whats the best thing to do?
Infiltrate government, ruin target planet's independence and business, increase taxes, make costly environmental cleaning at the cost of many businesses, make strict gun controls, disable all the nukes, make people extremely dependent on Government.
Makes humanity an easy target. Initiate invasion.
Just a thought.
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IT is also logical for a species to secretly manipulate humanity to be more peaceful, reducing population, disabling nukes and other weapons especially (or making them controlled by one gov) and be more environment and resource efficient.
If I wanted to conquer Earth for its bio resources and location, invading with UFO's head on would result:
-Humanity retaliating with nukes from hundreds of locations. Even if aliens win, the result would cost them a lot and irradiate all the precious biosphere.
-Armed and numerous humanity will put up a fight and even when token fighting, will make exploitation more costly.
So if you are the leader of an alien invasion force, whats the best thing to do?
Infiltrate government, ruin target planet's independence and business, increase taxes, make costly environmental cleaning at the cost of many businesses, make strict gun controls, disable all the nukes, make people extremely dependent on Government.
Makes humanity an easy target. Initiate invasion.
Just a thought.
Fun fact I read from a blog of a future member of our Parliament: The western peace movement was originally a secret soviet sabotage/espionage program to reduce the amount of western nukes and combat readiness in case the soviets needed to invade. Kinda puts the movement in a different light, doesn't it?
E: One thing you, in a way, forgot: While human ICBMs could work as makeshift planetary defence missiles, they wouldn't be that effective and the aliens could just pummel us into the ground from orbit. "Alien ship uses Orbital bombardment!" "It's super effective!"
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However, using high-energy weaponry would cause collateral damage.
If I'd want Earth without humans, I'd go for biological agents. Nothing like good ol' plague to bring the cost of property down...
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anyways, i've heard that one alien became a valued person of USA and gave his DNA to scientists upon death...
Did i use the upon word correctly? I think i put it wrong.
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Aliens living among us unseen, that's total bullsh*t. If the aliens are so similar to us that they have DNA like humans, can eat same or similar food as us, then...well. Every human, in fact every multicellular organism is home to large amount of microorganisms. Some are harmful, some are harmless, some even essential, like E. Coli. Speaking about that one, it pretty much makes my point. What happens when E. Coli gets from your intestines to other organs? Yea, it is nasty. Very nasty. Now, imagine what would happen if alien microorganism gets released on Earth. No living creature on Earth would have antibodies against that...effect would be worse than in 15-18th century when explorers carried common european diseases to america and pacific islands...common, harmless diseases like flu depopulated entire islands there. If an alien disease would be released upon earth, it could cause massive ecological damage....
And since some of those buggers are symbiotic and essential, don't even start on stuff like "they have no diseases" etc...some things you just can't get rid of.
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And [...] those buggers are symbiotic and essential
Yeah, like XVI ;D
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you mean mutagen and radiation? these things ARE dangerous just like the games area 51 and blacksite: area 51 aka area 52. everyone will be doomed... unless we will send the infected to oblivion.
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you mean mutagen and radiation? these things ARE dangerous just like the games area 51 and blacksite: area 51 aka area 52. everyone will be doomed... unless we will send the infected to oblivion.
You do know that even now you're getting radiated from all kinds of sources, from the background radiation of the universe to radon. Human body can take radiation and still live, we have internal systems that are designed to kill mutated-enough cells and, most of the time, those mutations aren't harmful (of course, sometimes they are and the systems might fail...). Still, a risk is a risk and it's usually better to reduce the risks to minimum, hence why you're usually warned when there is extra radiation somewhere and why walking around in Chernobyl is a bad idea.
Also, what mutagen are you talking about? Radiation? Something else?
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I'm not talking about mutagens and radioactivity. I'm talking about nasty bioactivity. Seriously, alien symbiotic microorganism can be for us more harmful than black plague or smallpox, because nothing on earth will have antibodies against it. There are prerequisites to it, but if aliens can live among us unseen, I'd bet that those prerequisites are met.
And vice versa, human walking among aliens could be a living biological bomb for them.
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mutagen is alien's virus, which mutates humans and they infect others by biting (played a51 a lot)
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mutagen is alien's virus, which mutates humans and they infect others by biting (played a51 a lot)
Mutagen is actually a term meaning any of the things that can cause mutations, radiation being one of them.
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Sigh...this thread shown effects of bad "sci-fi" on general population in fullest.
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Doublepost, but damn, this is interesting.
http://gizmodo.com/5704158/nasa-finds-new-life (http://gizmodo.com/5704158/nasa-finds-new-life)
In a short. Later today, NASA is gonna hold a press conference. Only few things leaked about the topic, but it appears that in Lake Mono, California, a new kind of bacteria has been discovered. It is very different from "ordinary" life, as it uses arsenic in quantity in its cells, like any other life on Earth uses phosphorous.
The conference will be held at 2.PM EST, and will be live streamed at NASA webpage. Here's link on the announcement http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html).
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Sigh...this thread shown effects of bad "sci-fi" on general population in fullest.
It's the sad truth.
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It's the sad truth.
yeah, well, i was talking about multiple games/reality relation