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kurja:
It's awesome that now there is a working encumbrance system! However, now it works by reducing the number of TUs, which brings a couple problems. One is that it doesn't seem realistic how certain actions become entirely prohibited, for an example firing a machinegun in full auto mode. Other one is how encumbrance is checked at the change of turn in battlescape; if at the change of turn a soldier is encumbered he thus can not use the medkit in his hand, but if he drops the medkit and in the next turn picks it up, he is not encumbered and now can use the medkit although carrying exactly the same amount of weight .

I don't think it would be a priority to make encumbrance-checking continuous, but I do think that the system needs to be changed so that being encumbered does not reduce the number of TUs but instead increases the TU cost  of any action (or only movement? like being wounded on the legs does). Carrying a heavy load does in reality infer with one's ability to perform any action, but I don't think encumbrance should *prevent* any action, like firing certain weapons.

Thoughts?

Quizer:
The encumbrance system is pretty unbalanced as it is. Personally, I think it's too abrupt - instead of having three states "light", "normal" and "encumbered", there should be more of a sliding scale. Either have it be more finely grained, with more states such as "lightly encumbered", "heavily encumbered", etc.; or just have it calculate your available TUs from the fraction of "current load" divided by "carrying capacity".

I think the latter solution in particular would be great. It would force the player to really weigh the TU cost of each item they want to bring along in a combat mission - should you bring that one extra reload, or have +1 TU instead?

Wolls:
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Where ENCUMBRANCE_MODIFIER is 1 for 'bonus' stage, 0.7 for 'normal' stage and 0.4 for 'penalty' stage.

So, well there are three encumbrance stages there are really only two relevant classes.  Bonus and normal.

Bonus <--- Normal ---> Penalty

Accepting normal stage as starting point the encumbrance system actually increases the number of TUs.


The weights of weapons and armours were all recently balanced with the normal stage in mind.  That is, your average soldier can equip the heaviest armours and weapons, when and as you get access to them (presuming stat growth as game progresses).  So game-wise, there is no reason to enter the third stage.  Sure, there's allowance for three classes and hopefully beyond 2.5 dev, there will be 3 classes but ATM the first two are the only functional ones.


--- Quote from: Quizer on December 26, 2012, 01:12:41 am ---I think the latter solution in particular would be great.

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Does this particular include any particulars?  ;D

GPS51:
Anyone know how this relates to trying to heal units? I was amused to find that equiping armor and any weapon on units makes them unable to use a medkit off the start. I was thinking maybe a pistol or plasma blade, but nope, everything is heavy enough (in my testing) to cause them to be unable to heal anyone. I loaded up an old mid-late game save and...yup my buffed troops are about 50/50 on being able to use healing kits (most are sporting lvl 2 armor). I don't like my troops dying on me and I'm willing to heal them up etc but I'm not even getting that chance. So I'm looking for help on how to equip troops light enough to enable to heal each other. On a side note was the dmg output by alien weaponry buffed a lot? I took 1 hit from a hovernet to a unit in lvl 1 armor and took 95dmg. I haven't played much in the last 3 months but I don't recall ALL the alien weaponry being so deadly to my troops or that all the aliens reaction fire hits me before I take my turn but they walk up to my squad set to reaction fire and start doing melee dmg while my troops with TU's saved sit there >.>

Quizer:
When the encumbrance system came out, the starting strength of units got buffed. All soldiers created prior to that date are going to have horrifically subpar strength values. New hires' strength stats at the start of the game range from 30~39 or thereabouts. That's enough to wear armor, a heavy weapon, a medikit and maybe a reload or two, if you're on the high end of the scale, and stay inside the 50% needed to get your normal complement of TUs. If you're willing to settle for a non-heavy weapon, you get to load up on grenades and all that other good stuff. If you go without armor and don't take a heavy weapon, you can manage to stay inside 20% of your weight allowance and get bonus TUs. It's worth seriously considering whether it's worth sacrificing protection for mobility or vice versa.

You might want to start a new playthrough, hire new soldiers in your existing one, or hack your soldier's strength stats to reflect what they should be like - the way to do the latter is in one of these threads.

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