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Is sniper still useless? [2.5]

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Heebsjeebs:
  If the Machine Gun is supposed to represent the M-60/M240B/PKM style machine gun, you would have to be a hulking monster with near limitless endurance to fire it standing up. The 240B without ammo weighs almost 30 pounds, and is over 4 feet long.  The recoil would obviously screw your accuracy while standing, but the barrel rise combined with the length of the weapon would make it  impossible to control after a few rounds. This is why machine guns are used either from a mounted T&E mechanism, or from bi-pods in the prone position.

 Visually speaking, crouching in the game is actually squatting.  I don't think you'd want to use any kind free firing weapon from that position. If the mode is supposed to actually represent kneeling, then firing just about any weapon is going to be more accurate. A proper kneeling firing position is really half-kneeling, half-sitting. You sit back on the heel of your rearward leg, with you elbow resting on your thigh, just behind the knee. This position is very stable, though not very comfortable.

 I would say that for the sniper rifle, rather than making it less accurate while crouching...remove the snapshot mode from it completely.

kurja:

--- Quote from: Heebsjeebs on May 17, 2012, 08:21:16 pm ---  If the Machine Gun is supposed to represent the M-60/M240B/PKM style machine gun, you would have to be a hulking monster with near limitless endurance to fire it standing up. The 240B without ammo weighs almost 30 pounds, and is over 4 feet long.  The recoil would obviously screw your accuracy while standing, but the barrel rise combined with the length of the weapon would make it  impossible to control after a few rounds. This is why machine guns are used either from a mounted T&E mechanism, or from bi-pods in the prone position.

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imho firing such a machinegun is easier standing than crouched or squatting, at least for me it's just that the ergonomics are so godawful in a crouched position. The lmg's that I've carried had a sling and a carrying handle on top, so when standing I kept the sling on my shoulder, right hand on the grip and held on that handle knuckles up with my left, weapon at hip height; if I crouched, the gun was sort of blocked by my legs and things got only worse if I wanted to hold it higher since those things are big, heavy and definitely not designed to be only hand-held especially not against the shoulder (like if fired as a normal rifle). Some lmg's also eject spent cartridges through the bottom of the weapon, so you might reconsider holding your hands there.

Realistically, in my opinion, just like you said the only way to properly and accurately fire any machinegun is on some kind of support which is most often it's own bipod, so we'd need the ability to "mount" the weapon over an item (box, table or such) in either standing or crouched position, or on the ground when in prone position.

Game design-wise, if prone position is implemented that should be the only way to accurately fire the machinegun (unless mounting ability is added as well), and as long as prone position is not available I don't see how it's a big deal whether it's more accurate standing than crouched.

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