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Is sniper still useless? [2.5]
Battlescared:
I kept 3 snipers on every team. Death from afar. The only question was whether anything would be alive by the time my assault troops got in range. Snipers are deadly on small maps with snap shot.
Bonbadil:
--- Quote from: H-Hour on May 10, 2012, 07:17:27 pm ---3. I am against a simple equation between crouch and better accuracy. Currently, our maps really lack a lot of good cover -- objects that provide defensive firing positions. This reduces the element of cover in the cover and concealment game mechanics. But I hope in the future with more cover in maps, that stance will have more to do with the demands of a particular defensive position than just accuracy. The decision to crouch or stand could have implications on whether the player is more or less exposed and, as a trade-off, is more or less capable of returning fire. In my ideal future UFO:AI, this is a more important calculation than weapon accuracy.
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Maybe we could split the "crouch" in two antagonist modes:
- "Take cover" mode: which work as in 2.4 (TU, move and defence) but give variable penalties to accuracy (and maybe add a TU penalty to firing, also),
- "Take firing position" mode: which take a variable amount of TU (almost zero for close, small for assault, very high for sniper (25?)), prevent moving but give bonuses to accuracy (great bonus for snipe, medium for assault and near zero for close) (maybe the accurate shots would be only available in this mode?)
This should answer the snap shot/accurate shot problem of the snipe rifle, pros/cons of the theses modes should be clearer for players and make more difference between close/assault/sniper weapons.
Also, it would be a greater advantage to get around an enemy in firing position to take him back as he couldn't open fire directly without leaving this mode (and lose TU and the mode's advantages).
(I hope my poor English will be understandable, please feel free to ask otherwise.)
Triaxx2:
I feel it a good time to link to an actual 20mm sniper rifle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-20_%28rifle%29
Chosen for no reason other than because it's got a good picture.
Still, it seems a bit odd that you'd not be more accurate firing from a position with three points of contact with the ground than just two. Unless you're actually squatting as the animation shows.
kurja:
--- Quote from: Triaxx2 on May 15, 2012, 06:53:21 pm ---I feel it a good time to link to an actual 20mm sniper rifle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-20_%28rifle%29
Chosen for no reason other than because it's got a good picture.
Still, it seems a bit odd that you'd not be more accurate firing from a position with three points of contact with the ground than just two. Unless you're actually squatting as the animation shows.
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afaik sniper is still more accurate when crouched, the opposite only applies to the machine gun
Jon_dArc:
--- Quote from: kurja on May 15, 2012, 06:58:56 pm ---afaik sniper is still more accurate when crouched, the opposite only applies to the machine gun
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No, for Snap Shot it has no crouch adjustment (not more accurate, but also not less accurate).
The flamer also gets less accurate when crouched (Crouch 1.5) and a bunch of other weapons have no crouch adjustment (Crouch 1), mostly pistols and heavy weapons.
~J
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