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JeKylL351:
Hello all,

First of all I would like to say thanks for making this game. I have enjoyed it alot so far, and it makes me glad to see people do this open source.  I am a big fan of the whole X-Com type game series, and of turn based strategy games in general.

My question concerns the situation where your troops are in a tight corridor, with a gaggle of civilians.  Is there an easy way to get them to move aside?  It seems difficult at times to get to the rooms that they are blocking off.  Maybe I missed the command on the list somewhere.  The best I can manage to do is either wait for them to move so there is an opening to sneak through, or take a long route around to them, if it even exists.  Is stunning them an option once you get ahold of that sort of weaponry?  I know on some games that was considered a lethal attack to a civilian.

I have scanned some of the civilian related threads, so I realize their AI is limited at best.  I wouldn't mind that much as long as I could get them out of the way and maybe corral them in a "safe" room.

Anyway, thanks for your attention, and keep up the good work!

Cheers,
JeKylL351

MCR:
Hey JeKylL351 (complicated name ;))

1. Welcome to the forums !

2. IMO a very good idea. In RL those civilians would beg Phalanx for guidance in such a situation and Phalanx would most likely give orders to civilians and tell them what they should do.

So in UFO:AI I could envision an implementation like this: A selected Phalanx soldier uses a few of his time units to shout an order to a civilian (go there, or crouch and hide there) and the civilian will execute this order, when it's the civilian's turn.

Opinions ?

Crystan:

--- Quote from: MCR on December 23, 2011, 08:31:26 am ---So in UFO:AI I could envision an implementation like this: A selected Phalanx soldier uses a few of his time units to shout an order to a civilian (go there, or crouch and hide there) and the civilian will execute this order, when it's the civilian's turn.

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Oh i like that idea!

homunculus:
but the civilians would have low morale, and they would panic whenever they see an alien and run in random direction anyway (or away from aliens, like they seem to be doing quite well atm).
yeah, shouting orders to civilians would be cool, as long as the orders are simple (like 'run here') and as long as the civilians panic and run elsewhere instead, especially when they see an alien : )
in his own mind, the panicked civilian knows better where the danger is, than the suspicious phalanx agent who might not really care about the bloodspider or plasma death approaching the civilian, doesn't he?

was mind control a 'no'?
was mind control a 'no' because it would be overpowered?
well, here's some mind control:
some aliens (tamans) could use mind control to issue a similar kind of 'run here' command to civilians, and maybe it might work better if the civilian is panicked.
this kind of mind control is what the ufologists have "reported", isn't it?

edit:
actually the civilians look like they are walking in park, while aliens are butchering people all over the place.
maybe they could look more like the panic animation.
maybe they could use the same animation as soldiers?
in this case they should be holding something in hand, like a bread, a bottle, a baby, a laptop, a handbag, a suitcase, a teddy bear, etc?
i guess i am getting carried away, but that way the civilians would look like they were living their life when the aliens suddenly appeared.

nanomage:
I think the civilians should try to hide from both aliens and player's soldiers. Look this way: your troops arrive several hours (at least) after the place is invaded by aliens. Most civilians already are evacuated or have fled by themselves, and some are already killed by aliens. Only those who hid well remain in place when you arrive. So  I think they should be hiding when noone sees them and try to run away from both aliens and phalanx soldiers on sight. After all, Phalanx agents in futuristic armor wielding alien weapons wouldn't seem any better than aliens to a panicked citizen, would they?

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