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anyone else playing a 2.3 development build?

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homunculus:

--- Quote from: Locke on February 07, 2009, 07:30:54 pm ---[...] You should not have locked me out of my own post. That's just being a bully.

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well, i guess it is your personal opinion, not the general truth.

btw, if mods were perfect they would most probably not be mods but would be doing something else.
what would you be doing if you were perfect? posting in this forum? even reading it?

vedrit:

--- Quote from: homunculus on February 10, 2009, 05:10:30 am ---well, i guess it is your personal opinion, not the general truth.

btw, if mods were perfect they would most probably not be mods but would be doing something else.
what would you be doing if you were perfect? posting in this forum? even reading it?

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lol
Locke, sorry to say, but you have been dissed by the community at large.
However, it saddens me to see that such a large issue has been made of Locke not saying a word or two. How much of a hassle can it be to say "Hey, I dont know what you've heard, but UFO:AI v2.3 is not public, and is still being worked on. v2.2.1 is stable and available for play." ?
O SNAP! I just did mod work! Can I get some recognition?! lol j/k

homunculus:

--- Quote from: vedrit on February 10, 2009, 06:29:16 am ---lol
Locke, sorry to say, but you have been dissed by the community at large.
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really, i didn't even think of offending anyone when i wrote what you quoted ::)
but i guess there is a slim chance i might not be perfect, too, at least on some rare occasions when i havn't had too much sleep and/or have a hangover.

anyway, how can the dev version be playable?

1) reaction fire shots should take as much time as normal shooting, yet your sniper can reaction fire every 2 time units the alien uses for moving.

2) afaik you need a dropship to equip soldiers in the base, or at least any airplane with at least one team slot to put any equipment on any soldier in case you need to defend your base.

there was some more but i am extremely sorry i have forgot those.
so i'll skip the rest.

dev version playable? really?
 ;)

vedrit:
Well, playable in the sense that, yes, you can run the game and do SOMETHING. No, in that its not quality game play, though I rather enjoy it...when its not being buggy.... ;D

Lew Yard:
It might be suggested that if players are really supposed to stay away from the development version, that


(1) the wiki pages on Ninex should retain correct documentation for 2.2.1 -- examples of pages that are incorrect for 2.2.1 include the small hangar page (capacity; 2.2.1 small hangers can store multiple craft), the training simulator (not in 2.2.1 at all),  the (blank) coilgun page (not in game), some of the alien craft which don't appear at all.  This sends a somewhat mixed message about what versions people might be using.

For what it's worth, some of the in-game behavior (like gas grenades affecting robots, which presumably aren't really organic creatures) is also contradicted by the in-game text and the briefings on the wiki; it might not have been a bad idea to mention this in the game to make it clear as to whether the restriction is intended and the behavior is simply unimplemented, or whether it was intended to be implemented but isn't actually correctly so, or whether the description is obsolete and the in-game behavior is correct.  This would be good practice, anyway, rather than requiring that people actually visit the forum to find out that their strategies tailored to specific game elements (like 'this species is particularly resistant/vulnerable to particular damage types' -- unimplemented, I gather, based on chatter about armor values) are actually inappropriate because of missing features.


(2) that rather than argue about the semantics of 'playable' or 'released', it might have been more polite to suggest that major elements (such as the campaign system) are in flux and that therefore progress may be substantially more limited; not only that, but judging from the other threads, there are substantial issues with the pathfinding such as navigating stairs and ramps that limit the usability of the tactical core.  And that the development process appears to follow the "openly break vast parts and fix it at some point" plan rather than a more traditional incremental-improvement model with small deltas and numerous stable, usable if incomplete milestones (as in commercial enterprises which prefer not to terrify their client base or sales teams); or the rather secretive process associated with a certain legendary roguelike game (with minimal public chatter or access to development work, until *poof* a new version is announced).

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