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SpaceWombat:
While some weapons -like the flamer- CAN be fired from the hip they probably will not be used this way if the soldier wants to fire through a window. Line of fire should always avoid obstacles if the shot would be a good hit or the aiming cross should indicate that the "perfect" line of fire is blocked (by a chair, wall, whatever).
I know its difficult to make this thing accurate but its not only annoying but ridiculously unrealistic to let a professional gunman hammer his shots directly into the wall in front of him.
Since even small and lightweight obstacles like chairs are made of indestructable DU I think the aiming mechanism should be improved even if that means lots of work or complicated coding. Its worth some effort in my opinion.

How about some kind of flexible line of fire? A standing soldier can lean left or right or get up or down a bit while aiming and you do not need to aim exactly at a certain point of the opponent. Would that be possible?

If that is too complicated at least the aiming cross should indicate whether it is likely to hit the chair instead of an enemy (blue line instead of a green one or something).

Something needs to be done. It is not intuitive enough right now.
My two cents on this ;)

Doctor J:

--- Quote from: SpaceWombat on March 29, 2008, 11:36:55 pm ---While some weapons -like the flamer- CAN be fired from the hip they probably will not be used this way if the soldier wants to fire through a window.
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Other than "Close Combat" type weapons and weapons where you can easily see the point of impact [flamer, laser], the line of sight should be from the head.  In fact, i can't think of a single reason why the default LOS shouldn't be from the head.

BTAxis:

--- Quote from: SpaceWombat on March 29, 2008, 11:36:55 pm ---While some weapons -like the flamer- CAN be fired from the hip they probably will not be used this way if the soldier wants to fire through a window.

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Let's get something straight: firing from the shoulder should never EVER happen for the flamer, and not for fire modes of projectile weapons that fire more than one shot (automatic fire on the assault rifle, MG, SMG, minigun, PBW...). That stuff is all from the hip. And I don't care if you happen to be standing in front of a window. We can't take that sort of thing into account, or it'll all become way too tedious and complicated.


--- Quote ---Line of fire should always avoid obstacles if the shot would be a good hit or the aiming cross should indicate that the "perfect" line of fire is blocked (by a chair, wall, whatever).
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This technically already happens, but it doesn't happen correctly. See below.


--- Quote ---I know its difficult to make this thing accurate but its not only annoying but ridiculously unrealistic to let a professional gunman hammer his shots directly into the wall in front of him.
Since even small and lightweight obstacles like chairs are made of indestructable DU I think the aiming mechanism should be improved even if that means lots of work or complicated coding. Its worth some effort in my opinion.

How about some kind of flexible line of fire? A standing soldier can lean left or right or get up or down a bit while aiming and you do not need to aim exactly at a certain point of the opponent. Would that be possible?

If that is too complicated at least the aiming cross should indicate whether it is likely to hit the chair instead of an enemy (blue line instead of a green one or something).

Something needs to be done. It is not intuitive enough right now.
My two cents on this ;)
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Here's how the LOF system is most likely going to be improved, in a nutshell.

1) A change will be made so that the origin of fire is exactly at the weapon's muzzle. Right now, it is a fixed position for all weapons.
2) With the above, we can more easily allow weapons to be fired from the shoulder.
3) A small change in the accuracy code should allow for an accurate "perfect" line of fire, which should help with deciding if a shot is possible or not.

If this isn't enough for you, it's up to you to come up with something else, concretely.

Doctor J:
The nutshell looks good.  Approximately when can we see this?

BTAxis:
When it's done. It's on the TODO, but there's 500 other things on the TODO...

If someone wants to take it on right now, though, don't hesitate to speak up.

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