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The SMG... godsend or overpowered?

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Surrealistik:

--- Quote ---It's never 'realistic'. At best it's plausible because of some jackass who thinks it looks cool. If you're going to use both hands anyway, then a two-handed weapon -- particularly a rifle -- is always more powerful than two handguns. Always, no variation, no argument possible.
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It is 'realistic' to use dual handguns at close/point blank range if you need additional firepower and you don't have access to said rifles/smgs/other assault weapon as is the case for most (sadly not all) civilians in North America (however a single handgun is usually more than sufficient in most cases). Shotguns are admittedly viable alternatives thanks to their accessibility, but can be difficult to conceal, and often do not enjoy the same magazine size, range (in the event you do need to peg someone at a distance; obviously you do not dual wield your pistols in this case), fire rate and penetration (flechette rounds aside; you're probably not getting those) of powerful handguns. Again, it is situational.


--- Quote ---If I had to engage in a gunfight in real life, I'd be much happier with an SMG or Micro Shotgun than two handguns. At least then I'd have a realistic chance of fighting back.
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Well sure, assuming you're free to pick whatever weapon you want. However in reality, the best firearm you could probably get is some form of non-assault weaponry (especially true given that you live in the UK). That said, you would certainly stand an appreciable chance with two high powered pistols when in close proximity to your target (and at further distances, you can still do quite a bit of harm by accurately discharging one of them).

This all aside, in game there is a use for dual wielding, despite the ability to choose from a vast array of more powerful weapons, due to encumberance concerns, and convenience associated with pistol use (one hand is free to hold grenades/medikits, etc... until in a situation where dual wielding is advantageous). Pistols also often remain sufficiently lethal and/or long ranged given laser, plasma and particle beam incarnations. In fact, dual wielding these weapons offers greater firepower than most of their larger counterparts since they enjoy, or lack many of the same capabilities (especially autofire), making up for weaker individual shots and inaccuracy through sheer volume of fire.

breversa:

--- Quote from: "Winter" ---It's never 'realistic'. At best it's plausible because of some jackass who thinks it looks cool. If you're going to use both hands anyway, then a two-handed weapon -- particularly a rifle -- is always more powerful than two handguns. Always, no variation, no argument possible.
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I strongly support this point.

BTW, for those of you who have never fired a real pistol, if you ever get a chance, don't miss it ! You'll realize soon enough that you have so many things to master (stance, aiming, breath control, trigger pressure/jerking, limp wrist, recoil, muzzle blast, misfires, jams, reloading, etc.) to simply hit consistently one target that you just will NOT want to try with dual guns...

Wanderer:

--- Quote from: "breversa" ---
--- Quote from: "Winter" ---It's never 'realistic'. At best it's plausible because of some jackass who thinks it looks cool. If you're going to use both hands anyway, then a two-handed weapon -- particularly a rifle -- is always more powerful than two handguns. Always, no variation, no argument possible.
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I strongly support this point.

BTW, for those of you who have never fired a real pistol, if you ever get a chance, don't miss it ! You'll realize soon enough that you have so many things to master (stance, aiming, breath control, trigger pressure/jerking, limp wrist, recoil, muzzle blast, misfires, jams, reloading, etc.) to simply hit consistently one target that you just will NOT want to try with dual guns...
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Of course I do.  I wanna look cool just like my movie heros...

(Oh shit, Wanderer is here again, CLEAR THE RANGE! EVERYONE OUT!)

(What'd I do?  Bah, screw 'em.  *BLAMBLAMBLAM*)

(Maintenance comes in later to fix the windows, the broken overhead lighting, and a couple of damaged lockers)

Alex:
I'd like a chance to fire a real pistol...  The largest weapon I've fired is an Air Rifle, closely followed by a BB pistol...  :P

However, for the two-hands argument, if anyone's got access to those shooting gallery arcade games like Point Blank etc, try playing with both of the guns and you'll soon see how hard it is to be accurate.  The rate of fire boost isn't that tremendous either.

As for reloading, wouldn't you have to mess around to eject the magazine, find a new one, insert it, cock the pistol, etc?  Having both hands full might make this a tad more difficult and time consuming.

breversa:
I remember playing Virtua Cop on my Sega Saturn years ago with dual pistols. Accuracy was just terrible with the second pistol, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (the accuracy of the other one was decrased as well), and rate of fire was indeed lower than rapid-firing with only one gun.

I quickly dropped one gun and resumed with only one... :D

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