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Save in Combat
Surrealistik:
--- Quote ---I have to disagree. If you can do something, there will always be some temptation to go ahead and do it. I like the fact that you can't save during a mission, yet I would probably do it if I could, being fully aware that it's not as much fun if I do!
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On the higher difficult levels (the highest one in particular), the absence of battlescape saves isn't beneficial to the experience and funfactor so much as blatantly detrimental. This is because it takes signifigantly more time to make any sort of progress *without* losing soldiers as you are forced to play extremely conservatively. Even then, success is hardly guaranteed given that the AI seems to "cheat" and is aware of the disposition and location of your forces at all times.
On occasion, I've spent somewhere in the vincinity of half an hour on a mission (usually when there's a large contingent of aliens) only to be thwarted by a single soldier death, because X/Y camping alien knows Z trooper is approaching, realizes he has the TU to reach and Kerrblade him, and has the HP/Armour to effortlessly tank the rest of my team's reaction fire (incredibly, even when they're all equipped with plasma rifles). You might ask, what about grenades? It takes 4 of them in close proximity (at least) to kill armoured aliens on max difficulty, and I didn't know exactly where he was in order to direct them. Case in point, even when demonstrating every precaution imaginable, I still ended up losing approximately thirty minutes of my time. This is of course but one example. There are other occasions in which freak incidents such as a particularily deviant grenade or missile caused me to lose tens of minutes repeatedly. Obviously this can hardly be considered "fun" or "entertaining".
Perhaps as a compromise, an "ironman" mode option can be made availible at the creation a new game. Once selected, it cannot be changed later, permitting only log-out saves, so those who wish to enjoy that kind of experience, but do not have the discipline to given the availibility of a save option, can, while it isn't imposed on the rest of the playerbase.
Voller:
I guess an "extra hard" tick box could be an option. If enabled, it means you can't save (or only somehow limited) irrespective of the difficulty level you choose. That way you can play on "easy" without being allowed to save, but if you want to you can still play on "superhuman" and save as often as you like.
I hear what you're saying about the AI being good enough as it is and not being allowed to save taking the fun away. I have to admit, I didn't think this through. Also I don't consider myself a hard core gamer who'd want to give himself an extra kick by playing it on the highest difficulty without saving, but I'd certainly would like to try that on medium. So if there's a way of customising the difficulty level, that could be quite neat!
Wanderer:
--- Quote from: "Surrealistik" ---On the higher difficult levels (the highest one in particular), the absence of battlescape saves isn't beneficial to the experience and funfactor so much as blatantly detrimental. This is because it takes signifigantly more time to make any sort of progress *without* losing soldiers as you are forced to play extremely conservatively. Even then, success is hardly guaranteed given that the AI seems to "cheat" and is aware of the disposition and location of your forces at all times.
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Sorry, but this specifically is the 'wrong' reason for battlescape saves. If you can't handle the heat and loss of troops, play a lighter level of AI.
I'd like to see a battlescape save because I've played a map for an hour or longer, taking my time, using tight strategies. My guys die, oh well. I think I replace everyone at least twice by the time I hit the end of the tech tree on standard, never mind harder levels.
In the end you play your game, I'll play mine. You want a 'godmode', called battlescape saves. I want something that when the girl shows up in the lingerie I close the computer. Now. :) ... without losing what I was doing.
Same result, battlescape saves. I guess I just can't see the challenge of reloading the game over and over as you slowly detect each alien. If they're pounding the dirt out of me (and I'm not enjoying the challenge), I'd drop down an AI level.
Surrealistik:
--- Quote ---In the end you play your game, I'll play mine. You want a 'godmode', called battlescape saves. I want something that when the girl shows up in the lingerie I close the computer. Now. ... without losing what I was doing.
Same result, battlescape saves. I guess I just can't see the challenge of reloading the game over and over as you slowly detect each alien. If they're pounding the dirt out of me (and I'm not enjoying the challenge), I'd drop down an AI level.
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It's not that they're "pounding the dirt" out of me, so much as that one or two freak incidents, or unlucky occurances can be almost expected to happen per engagement, regardless of my precautions and systemic approach. I don't want a "godmode". I am willing to accept the consequences of my mistakes. I want a safeguard against random misfortune. It is not fun to have your well laid plans executed over the course of tens of minutes to be suddenly defeated by no fault of your own via a misfiring plasma grenade, an alien that inexplicably survives your entire squad's reaction fire against all odds to the contrary, or even a misclick at times.
leany:
Hi, i also think the developner should make it possible that everyone can save within a battle. Everyone can use saving or not if he or she dont want to save. But it really should be possible. Not everyone is just a Iron man. When i come home from work i just want to play a few minutes and not always a whole battle. So PLEASE make it possible to save within a battle. If there are someone who will save every minute, why not? If that is their way of having fun when they are playing AI. PLEASE think about it. Everyone should have been fun when playing AI. It is really a fantastic game. I played Terror from the deep an apocalypse and now AI. PLEASE make this whish of many possible!
OR WHAT I PREFER: An Autosave during Battle. On Easy: all 5 minutes; On Normal: all 10 minutes .... Perhaps this should be a solution :)
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