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regarding gatling/minigun
TrashMan:
--- Quote from: Nevasith on June 14, 2008, 05:28:28 pm ---You did not say what do they take and what missions. These are operations probably- taking some days, where they need firepower, tents, and Hell knows what else. Xcom comes to the mission area- kills/captures aliens and depart where they came from. No extended time period missions.
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Even more of a reason why they can carry more equipment - short missions with air transport in and out.
--- Quote ---Give me the names please. Most of MG have electric rotating engine-and i ever heard of any MG that would use gas gained from gunpowder explosion in the gun lock. But if you know of any give me the details as i am not an alpha and omega
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Here's one :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-23
--- Quote ---Enough is when my soldier can keep up with the rest, get on a second floor, put his gun through the window and can carry all his ammo by himself, when he can run for a cover and hide quickly.
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And what makes you think a guy with a minigun couldn't so that?
Note that a sensible commander would never order a guy with a mining into a apartment building on the second floor in the first place trough..
--- Quote ---As i said earlier it might be difficult to place a minigun on the widow, or a car behind which you are hiding- rotating barrels would clash against the surface so the mg would need some frame or stand.
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You mean something like a bipod? I fail to see the problem in that...
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Winter:
--- Quote from: Nevasith on June 14, 2008, 05:28:28 pm ---As i said earlier it might be difficult to place a minigun on the widow, or a car behind which you are hiding- rotating barrels would clash against the surface so the mg would need some frame or stand.
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Jesus, I didn't even think of that. That's unforgivable in any kind of battlefield -- note that the only function for which the microgun was developed was to clear helicopter landing zones. Add 'cannot be fired prone or from cover' to the minigun's list of ways it endangers its wielder's life.
Some more hard data on microgun recoil: "Each cartridge accelerates a 4 grams (62 gr) bullet to about 850 m/s (2,800 ft/s); at a moderate rate of fire of 4,000 rounds per minute, a one second burst will accelerate 267 grams (4,120 gr) of mass. Assuming a 100 kilograms (220 lb/16 st) user, and 30 kilograms (66 lb) for the XM214 and ammunition, that one second burst will result in the gun and user being accelerated to 1.7 m/s (5.6 ft/s)."
One gas blowback-operated minigun does apparently exist in a 30mm calibre, an old thing developed by the Russians, but it was swiftly replaced with an ordinary double-barrel machine gun due to ammo limitations. The gas from a 5.56mm round or a 4.73mm round, however, would never be able to spin multiple barrels at a rate of fire higher than a standard machine gun.
Regards,
Winter
Winter:
--- Quote ---Even more of a reason why they can carry more equipment - short missions with air transport in and out.
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Stupid comment. No military unit, however big or small, can choose its own engagement times. All it can do is guess and hope.
--- Quote ---Here's one :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-23
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See my previous post.
--- Quote ---And what makes you think a guy with a minigun couldn't so that?
Note that a sensible commander would never order a guy with a mining into a apartment building on the second floor in the first place trough..
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So you're saying that a sensible commander would never order a guy with a minigun to do the sort of thing that PHALANX was intended to do from the get-go and which it would have to do constantly? Do you know, I think that's exactly what I've been saying.
--- Quote ---You mean something like a bipod? I fail to see the problem in that...
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. . . Did you think about that before you said it? You can't put a bipod or tripod on a gun whose barrels spin at 4000+ RPM, for several reasons.
1. The barrels spin! There's no place to mount anything!
2. Even if there was, the massive torque from firing would tip it over.
Regards,
Winter
TrashMan:
--- Quote from: Winter on June 14, 2008, 06:51:05 pm ---Jesus, I didn't even think of that. That's unforgivable in any kind of battlefield -- note that the only function for which the microgun was developed was to clear helicopter landing zones. Add 'cannot be fired prone or from cover' to the minigun's list of ways it endangers its wielder's life.
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Who sez it can't be fired prone? ???
--- Quote ---Stupid comment. No military unit, however big or small, can choose its own engagement times. All it can do is guess and hope.
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Wouldn't it make sense then to carry more equipment, just in case you might need it?
--- Quote ---One gas blowback-operated minigun does apparently exist in a 30mm calibre, an old thing developed by the Russians, but it was swiftly replaced with an ordinary double-barrel machine gun due to ammo limitations. The gas from a 5.56mm round or a 4.73mm round, however, would never be able to spin multiple barrels at a rate of fire higher than a standard machine gun.
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The point is that the technology exists and can be perfected. You underestimate human ingenuity.
--- Quote ---So you're saying that a sensible commander would never order a guy with a minigun to do the sort of thing that PHALANX was intended to do from the get-go and which it would have to do constantly? Do you know, I think that's exactly what I've been saying.
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You're saying the ONLY missions Phalanax ever does is excursions into densely populated areas?
Hmmm..you know I was sure there were many mission in rurlal and outdoor areas, even in bases and bunkers with big, broad hallways... but I surely must be wrong! ::)
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. . . Did you think about that before you said it? You can't put a bipod or tripod on a gun whose barrels spin at 4000+ RPM, for several reasons.
1. The barrels spin! There's no place to mount anything!
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I hope you don't work for some R&D. Total lack of creativity. Observe:
Do you see where a bipod/tripod/something could be attached?
Zounds! It be dark magicks! :D
EDIT:
Speaking of minigun size..This looks incredibly big and unwieldy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gau_17_7.62mm_minigun.jpg
Falion:
Dang...thats smaller than I would have thought...still a bit big to be hauling around on the battlefield though? Perhaps not with mechanized power armor...
Still be better to mount a system like this on some type of vehicle / UGV though...you think?
Here is more detailed info on that same weapon, with a link to a supposedly improved version at the bottom of the page:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_30-cal_GAU17.htm
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