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regarding gatling/minigun
Falion:
Hmmm....the idea of the mini-gun for base defense is very intriguing, it would go a LONG way to denying easy corridor access in a base assault by any would be intruders. My thoughts are changing a bit on this...as if such a weapon was to be put into the game but for "specific" uses such as this...it could be a good thing. In regards to being able to make a MG plausible, it certainly would be less difficult than in mass producing hand held laser, plasma, or particle weapons...that much is surely true. Be interesting to have a vehicle mounted MG, guarding base entrances...or even wall mounted with motion sensors if such is even possible with this quake engine.
What about it Winter, BT? Any chance of getting a MG in the single player game for very specific uses as noted above, just not for any field work?
TrashMan:
--- Quote from: Falion on June 12, 2008, 10:56:28 pm ---Hmmm....the idea of the mini-gun for base defense is very intriguing, it would go a LONG way to denying easy corridor access in a base assault by any would be intruders. My thoughts are changing a bit on this...as if such a weapon was to be put into the game but for "specific" uses such as this...it could be a good thing. In regards to being able to make a MG plausible, it certainly would be less difficult than in mass producing hand held laser, plasma, or particle weapons...that much is surely true.
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No, it would be more difficult.
The current portable minigun (Microgun) has still too many bugs to be used EFFECTIVELY. You can't fire it full speed while standing up, you got to reduce the RoF by more than a half and it's a bit heavy.
Now, by 2084 they might have fixed those bugs (I explained how before) - heck I would be surprised if they didn't. Let's assume they didn't - the microgun was forgotten and nobody looked seriously into portable miniguns until the UFO's came calling.
Now, our dear Cmdr. Navare had to sift tough all the past research projects and he would probably stumble onto this. He might think "hey, 80 years have passed since this was reported and it sorta worked. Hmmm.. technolgoy has progressed by now, we even got some alien stuff in the labs. Maybe we CAN make this work!"
So this wouldn't be a starting tech. Heck, maybe this could be a late-game tech.
Either way, when you put such a thing together it won't be easy to make or cheap. Just the ammo alone will cost ya.
Now, I've been playing with this weapon modded in, and I've been experimenting with it for days. I generally only have one guy with this, since shooting costs a lot of TU's and it's not accurate at longer ranges. (14TU's for a 20 bullet burst, 30 TU's for full auto - 50 bullets). If 2-3 aliens are close together (close being relative) this thing can butcher them.
The biggest problem is getting a clear shot for a full auto. T&he aliens run away, hiding behind something, and if you move, you don't have enough TU's for a full auto. Maybe I'm making it too TU expensive...Maybe it needs another mode of fire.. Dunno, I gotta experiment a bit more. I've even considered making the full-auto expend 100 bullets...would empty the 200 bullet magazine quick, but a single agent can fit 2 in the inventory (total of 600 bullets)
Falion:
Well...if such a weapon could be made to work, say in the time frame that we are talking about in 2084. Could this not be a vehicle mounted weapon, or held by someone wearing advanced power armor for a base defense scenario. If not...just scrap the whole idea to the waste basket and forget about it totally. Sounds like it may be more trouble than its worth in the long run. Here I was just getting used to the idea, of such a weapon being used possibly / hopefully for base defense ;)
You sure it would be more difficult to produce this type of weapon ( since we already did it....bugs aside ), compared to making weapons we have no idea of how to manufacture like a hand held particle weapon? Regardless, this is my last thoughts on the issue...
I'm eagerly awaiting 2.3 ;)
TrashMan:
By 2080? Definately should be fully man portable.
It is now, alltough..not quite. Reducing the RoF mean reducing the main atractivenes of a minigun - weight is in reality a secondary problem.
Currently the Micorgun weighs only slighly more than a standard heavy MG.
So basicely, you focus on techniques to reduce recoil. There are some already. The VHS* rifle uses (will use, it's still a prototpye) a "air cushin" system that makes it almost recoilless, even at full auto. Caseless ammo exists for some time. There are other technological and design advanacements out there too.
So by 2080 I wouldn't be surprised if you could make a man-portable minigun that can be used effectively even without power armor. F'course, for game purposes I would make the power armor a requirement.
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more info:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3088.htm
DanielOR:
Very cool rifle indeed and does propose and elegant solution to the recoil problem. This part of the way to making a gattling protable.
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